let’s talk a bit more about diet and optimism.
about maltreating one’s own body, getting ill, becoming more conscious and starting to treat that poor body better.

eating only high quality food in decent amounts: helps the healer in you.
getting enough work out, fresh air and sunlight: helps the healer in you.
staying optimistic and cheerful: helps the healer in you (dig into the issue of neuroimmunology if you want to see real stunning experiences, scientifically corroborated.)

but: experience also tells that these measures not always do the trick alone. in many cases the healer in you can get strong enough again once he gets taken care of. but sometimes it takes more to support him, be it healing herbs, be it certain stuff from the pharmacist (it’s all chemistry anyways, isn’t it).
point is: a lot can be gained by living consciously and avoid everything harmful, but it’s no guarantee that no further lesions will appear.

you ask:_Why is this procedure not prescribed regularly with people suffering from MS? Because the profit-margin is too low, how can they make money with this cheap one-time simple procedure? That’s why almost no one knows about it, it’s not being promoted and marketed. No one cares..._

well, this procedure is not prescribed because it’s something your mother should have told you. it’s common sense. the question rather is: why is there so much junk declared as food and why do people put so much junk in their bellies. and to continue this: why do people have to live in polluted environments, suffer from unhealthy lifestyle, live in social isolation etc. -- all factors triggering disease.

so it’s good to learn that turning to a more healthy diet did help you. hope it stays that way for you!

and no, i’m not a doctor, i’m a relative of a person with MS who is heavily affected by MS symptoms despite yearlong healthy diet and positive thinking.

ps: why even think about CCSVI, the procedure also has no clear advantage, just like all those medications. there are people that profit from it and other people don’t.

pps: so, your question Am i stupid for choosing not to take chemicals? has been a rhetorical one, huh? ;)

Ill give my opinion on each of them anyway..

_as soon as one admits there is such a thing as "ms" one has the grounds for statistical framework. large study cohorts allow to draw certain conclusions on e.g. drug efficacy._

I’ll admit that there are multiple areas of my nervous system with abnormal hardening of myelin. What are the conclusions doctors and scientists have on the efficiency of the drugs prescribed for people with this auto immune disease? 35 percent success rate? 50 percent success? 75 percent? And how many of the "successes" have to endure a long list of side affects? How long can one continue to use these drugs without complications? 10 years? 20 years? 30? Or should one not expect to live that long with MS?

I’ll tell you the conclusions that we can draw from a healthy balanced healing diet..
The body will become healthier in almost all aspects of health 100% chance.
Bad side affects of this route? None. Unless your allergic to any of the foods your eating.
How long can you be on this all-natural method of healing? Forever, without having any complications.

How can this type of diet help with MS? The bodies of people with MS have issues somewhere we agree. A healing diet helps by regulating all parts of our bodies including the immune system. It cannot hurt, it can only help. People underestimate the bodies healing potential. Our bodies are smart!! Let us promote healing instead of harming. Drugs don’t help us, they change us at a chemical level.

hm, how do you know that you haven’t been born with the seed of MS already in you and just happened to have the bad luck of encountering something aggravating that triggered MS breaking out? it’s a hypothesis not so uncommon that mostly everybody has that seed in them but most people are just lucky.
did you know that legions of scientists (not pharmaceutical companies with their interest of profit making) are searching even the darkest corner of the immune system and beyond for finding out what makes the immune system go bezerk?

Maybe i was born with it, maybe not, who knows, who cares. All i know is that when i was born my immune system was not attacking my nerves.

Scientists are looking to the darkest corners of the immune system for answers? They dont need to go to the darkest corner! There’s an answer in Canada! Called CCSVI. I met a women who suffered from MS for 30 long years. They preformed this procedure on her and she has been symptom free for close to 3 years. Neurologists are telling her no new legions have formed, and some of her old legions are gone. 90% success rate!!!

Why is this procedure not prescribed regularly with people suffering from MS? Because the profit-margin is too low, how can they make money with this cheap one-time simple procedure? That’s why almost no one knows about it, it’s not being promoted and marketed. No one cares...

I have not done this myself because i feel fine now, i have no new legions, and along with my diet my neurologist is "shocked" to see that i also have no new legions and most of the old ones are gone!!!!

no need to ask for excusing, it’s your choice and only your choice. only questions you might need to answer are the questions of those who will take care of you before you die and who may ask you legitimally why you didn’t try more to prevent disease progression with the statistical help of medicine.

I dont need to try more. Your basically telling me that im going to succumb to MS and it’s going to takeover my life, and there’s nothing i can do to stop it, only drugs. I find this a bit funny.

sounds good and reasonable to me and makes me want to ask how you treated your body before contracting MS? did you treat your respected body with e.g. junk food, GMO food, too little sleep, too much alcohol, drugs, too little exercise and so on?

I was horrible to my body. I did the worst things you could do to yourself with little thought of consequences. I guess you can call it young and stupid, i believe my MS is directly related to this.

i wish you much luck, a not so aggressive MS and happy holidays. take care, PS19

Thank you, i do appreciate your words of hope and understanding. Happy holidays. Iv’e enjoyed this conversation and hope that it will continue!

PS: So are you a doctor? how are you related to MS?

i never said so. ;)

You sound like the great doctors i love so much. Do we agree snow, that there is no such thing as multiple sclerosis that progresses the same way? Don’t we agree that every case of the disease has different symptoms and outcomes? If this is true.. then how can we even begin to look at statistics? I am not a statistic.

as soon as one admits there is such a thing as "ms" one has the grounds for statistical framework. large study cohorts allow to draw certain conclusions on e.g. drug efficacy.

I remember the day of my diagnoses clearly. I remember the nurologist telling me we need to "blast" my immune system with steroids. I remember looking at the IV drip solu-medrol, i watched as it slid down that tube into my arm, into my bloodstream. We did as the doctor said, we blasted my immune system.
It’s like going to the hospital and telling the doctors my arm hurts, then they cut of my arm and call it a problem solved.

disagree. it’s not cutting off your arm, it’s suturing the wound. question is whether the scar could have been prevented if the arm had been let alone and not been stitched.

Manipulating and killing my immune system is not a good answer to me. I’d like to figure out why my immune system is attacking my nerves in the first place.
There must be some direct factors as to why my immune system is behaving this way. I was not born with MS, that means sometime between birth and 2010 somthing happened to aggravate my body to the point where it’s attacking itself.

hm, how do you know that you haven’t been born with the seed of MS already in you and just happened to have the bad luck of encountering something aggravating that triggered MS breaking out? it’s a hypothesis not so uncommon that mostly everybody has that seed in them but most people are just lucky.
did you know that legions of scientists (not pharmaceutical companies with their interest of profit making) are searching even the darkest corner of the immune system and beyond for finding out what makes the immune system go bezerk?

So excuse me if i ... die with pride knowing i laughed in the face of multiple sclerosis...

no need to ask for excusing, it’s your choice and only your choice. only questions you might need to answer are the questions of those who will take care of you before you die and who may ask you legitimally why you didn’t try more to prevent disease progression with the statistical help of medicine.

As far as my natural treatment, you may think it’s funny. So did i before i tried them. I treat myself with an extremely strict gluten-free macrobiotic diet, i practice yoga and meditation daily, a mixture of accupuncture and massage therapy, more then anything i educate myself on everything the body has to offer.

sounds good and reasonable to me and makes me want to ask how you treated your body before contracting MS? did you treat your respected body with e.g. junk food, GMO food, too little sleep, too much alcohol, drugs, too little exercise and so on?

...a few questions of my own? Have you been diagnosed with ms?

nope.

Do you feel the same pain i feel?

can two people feel the same pain?

If you do have ms, and you do feel what i feel, then me and you are the same, just going down different roads.

how do you want to know what kind of a road i’m going down?

i wish you much luck, a not so aggressive MS and happy holidays. take care, PS19

You sound like the great doctors i love so much. Do we agree snow, that there is no such thing as multiple sclerosis that progresses the same way? Don’t we agree that every case of the disease has different symptoms and outcomes? If this is true.. then how can we even begin to look at statistics? I am not a statistic.

I remember the day of my diagnoses clearly. I remember the nurologist telling me we need to "blast" my immune system with steroids. I remember looking at the IV drip solu-medrol, i watched as it slid down that tube into my arm, into my bloodstream. We did as the doctor said, we blasted my immune system.

It’s like going to the hospital and telling the doctors my arm hurts, then they cut of my arm and call it a problem solved.

Manipulating and killing my immune system is not a good answer to me. I’d like to figure out why my immune system is attacking my nerves in the first place.
There must be some direct factors as to why my immune system is behaving this way. I was not born with MS, that means sometime between birth and 2010 somthing happened to aggravate my body to the point where it’s attacking itself.

My body is my friend not my enemy. I’ll treat it with respect, and try to understand and educate myself on this little problem called MS.

So excuse me if i dont trust doctors and companies that stand to make A LOT of money off me with a diagnoses of MS. Excuse me if i dont agree with killing my own body with their medication. EXCUSE ME for BELIEVING that i can overcome multiple sclerosis. If the day comes when I can’t wipe my own a**, and I cant feed myself, then i will die knowing i did EVERYTHING i could do to prevent it from happening, i’ll die with pride knowing i laughed in the face of multiple sclerosis and the doctors who diagnosed me with it.

As far as my natural treatment, you may think it’s funny. So did i before i tried them. I treat myself with an extremely strict gluten-free macrobiotic diet, i practice yoga and meditation daily, a mixture of accupuncture and massage therapy, more then anything i educate myself on everything the body has to offer. I do everything except stick myself with needles and inject myself with chemicals.

This is a long response to your last comment Snow, I’ve answered all of your questions and statements clearly. Now can i ask a few questions of my own? Have you been diagnosed with ms? Do you feel the same pain i feel? If you do have ms, and you do feel what i feel, then me and you are the same, just going down different roads.

the most important thing maybe is you don’t feel sorry on that day when disease has progressed so far for you to require someone else to feed you and to wipe your a.. :o{

what is it that you mean by "treating naturally"? besides optimism?

Wouldn’t it be optimistic to rely just on the medication the "experts" say will help? This isn’t optimism, what i’m doing takes hard work and dedication.

I’m not going to mask my problems and hide the symptoms, pretending it’s all ok. I have MS, I can do what they tell me to do, or i can handle it myself. I choose the latter.

I finally decided to forget about all the injections and standard treatment, and treat myself naturally through diet.

Iv’e had good results so far, but iv’e only been doing it for about 6 months.

Anyone else out there going down the same road as me? Am i stupid for choosing not to take chemicals? Or would you say it’s a good choice?

Eventually I WILL master MS. It’s not going to beat me.

Having said that - I guess its better to have that discussion with your neurologist and proceed under their advisement.

I have been on Betaferon for 7 years and I must say I think it has worked for me as I have only had a couple of significant relapses in that time. I consider my MS benign.